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"The simplest example of an unbounded operator is the differentiation operator , defined on the set {C^{1}}([a,b]) of all continuously differentiable functions into the space C([a,b]) of all continuous functions on a \leq t \leq b , because the operator \dfrac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}{t}} takes the bounded set \{ t \mapsto \sin(n t) \}_{n \in \mathbb{N}} to the unbounded set \{ t \mapsto n \cos(n t) \}_{n \in \mathbb{N}} " — really? The set \{ t \mapsto \sin(n t) \}_{n \in \mathbb{N}} is unbounded in the space {C^{1}}([a,b]) ; and the operator is bounded from the space {C^{1}}([a,b]) to the space C([a,b]) . True, the article mentions " the set {C^{1}}([a,b]) ", not  "the space {C^{1}}([a,b]) "; but it is not said that this set is treated as a subset of the space C([a,b]) . The text may be misleading. [[User:Boris Tsirelson|Boris Tsirelson]] ([[User talk:Boris Tsirelson|talk]]) 06:52, 1 March 2017 (CET)
 
"The simplest example of an unbounded operator is the differentiation operator \dfrac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}{t}} , defined on the set {C^{1}}([a,b]) of all continuously differentiable functions into the space C([a,b]) of all continuous functions on a \leq t \leq b , because the operator \dfrac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}{t}} takes the bounded set \{ t \mapsto \sin(n t) \}_{n \in \mathbb{N}} to the unbounded set \{ t \mapsto n \cos(n t) \}_{n \in \mathbb{N}} " — really? The set \{ t \mapsto \sin(n t) \}_{n \in \mathbb{N}} is unbounded in the space {C^{1}}([a,b]) ; and the operator is bounded from the space {C^{1}}([a,b]) to the space C([a,b]) . True, the article mentions " the set {C^{1}}([a,b]) ", not  "the space {C^{1}}([a,b]) "; but it is not said that this set is treated as a subset of the space C([a,b]) . The text may be misleading. [[User:Boris Tsirelson|Boris Tsirelson]] ([[User talk:Boris Tsirelson|talk]]) 06:52, 1 March 2017 (CET)
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Hi Boris. Yes, I agree that the original text is misleading. I can change ‘set’ to ‘space’ so that ': {C^{1}}([a,b]) \to C([a,b]) is an unbounded linear operator from one normed vector space to another. I must admit that I’m not entirely happy with the definition of ‘unbounded operator’ being offered here. Standard practice, I believe, is to call any densely defined linear operator S from one normed vector space X to another Y an ‘unbounded linear operator’ even if S has a bounded extension T: X \to Y .
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[[User:Leonard Huang|Leonard Huang]] ([[User talk:Leonard Huang|talk]]) 07:27, 3 March 2017 (CET)

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"The simplest example of an unbounded operator is the differentiation operator \dfrac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}{t}} , defined on the set {C^{1}}([a,b]) of all continuously differentiable functions into the space C([a,b]) of all continuous functions on a \leq t \leq b , because the operator \dfrac{\mathrm{d}}{\mathrm{d}{t}} takes the bounded set \{ t \mapsto \sin(n t) \}_{n \in \mathbb{N}} to the unbounded set \{ t \mapsto n \cos(n t) \}_{n \in \mathbb{N}} " — really? The set \{ t \mapsto \sin(n t) \}_{n \in \mathbb{N}} is unbounded in the space {C^{1}}([a,b]) ; and the operator is bounded from the space {C^{1}}([a,b]) to the space C([a,b]) . True, the article mentions " the set {C^{1}}([a,b]) ", not "the space {C^{1}}([a,b]) "; but it is not said that this set is treated as a subset of the space C([a,b]) . The text may be misleading. Boris Tsirelson (talk) 06:52, 1 March 2017 (CET)


Hi Boris. Yes, I agree that the original text is misleading. I can change ‘set’ to ‘space’ so that ': {C^{1}}([a,b]) \to C([a,b]) is an unbounded linear operator from one normed vector space to another. I must admit that I’m not entirely happy with the definition of ‘unbounded operator’ being offered here. Standard practice, I believe, is to call any densely defined linear operator S from one normed vector space X to another Y an ‘unbounded linear operator’ even if S has a bounded extension T: X \to Y .

Leonard Huang (talk) 07:27, 3 March 2017 (CET)

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